Do you worry for global warming?

[adam kondor]

Index of Leading Environmental Indicators: 2009 Report


some good news (if you tend to believe)

[Jeffrey Quick]

Yes. I worry that it isn't coming fast enough. Iceland is in hard times; they need to grow more food.

The sun has cooled down. We've cooled down. We'll heat up when the sun does, and none of the current hysteria will change that.

[Jeff Harrington]

Climategate: the final nail in the coffin of 'Anthropogenic Global ...

Apparently the University of East Anglia’s Climate Research Unit (aka Hadley CRU) got hacked and thousands of emails from US and UK climate scientists were exposed - plotting how to skew the data to enforce the human-caused global warming story.

Interesting and a bit alarming. At least a story to keep your eyes on...

[adam kondor]

The planet's temperature curve rose sharply for almost 30 years, as global temperatures increased by an average of 0.7 degrees Celsius (1.25 degrees Fahrenheit) from the 1970s to the late 1990s. "At present, however, the warming is taking a break," confirms meteorologist Mojib Latif of the Leibniz Institute of Marine Sciences in the northern German city of Kiel. Latif, one of Germany's best-known climatologists, says that the temperature curve has reached a plateau. "There can be no argument about that," he says. "We have to face that fact."

[Greg Hooper]

looks like not much to me - in terms of the science - but we'll see how it unfolds as a public exercise. Could even backfire on the denialists.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2009/nov/20/climate-sceptics-...
http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2009/nov/20/climate-sceptics-...




Jeff Harrington said:

Climategate: the final nail in the coffin of 'Anthropogenic Global ...
Apparently the University of East Anglia’s Climate Research Unit (aka Hadley CRU) got hacked and thousands of emails from US and UK climate scientists were exposed - plotting how to skew the data to enforce the human-caused global warming story.
Interesting and a bit alarming. At least a story to keep your eyes on...

[Greg Hooper]

left out the bits where Latif says this is to be expected an does not in anyway change the trends
this page from the Spiegal article is important

adam kondor said:

The planet's temperature curve rose sharply for almost 30 years, as global temperatures increased by an average of 0.7 degrees Celsius (1.25 degrees Fahrenheit) from the 1970s to the late 1990s. "At present, however, the warming is taking a break," confirms meteorologist Mojib Latif of the Leibniz Institute of Marine Sciences in the northern German city of Kiel. Latif, one of Germany's best-known climatologists, says that the temperature curve has reached a plateau. "There can be no argument about that," he says. "We have to face that fact."

[adam kondor]

"We are scientists, not poker players."

[Bianca Lopes]

Yes, I do. But as most people, I do have other concerns too.

[Charles Lucy]

http://jamesdelingpole.com/

[Greg Hooper]

comes across to me as yet another crank trotting out the same old same old misinformation that's been shown to be rubbish over and over again.

Charles Lucy said:

http://jamesdelingpole.com/

[Jeff Harrington]

Starting to look like it was an 'insider' who leaked the emails. And I think that the emails are very, very interesting, from the hacking the Chinese data, to hacking the tree ring data and the denial of the giant Middle Ages heat wave.

I've been worried for a while that this climate change fanaticism was going to taint our slow change to a green world economy by focussing on carbon emissions at the cost of pollution control. China is polluting the oceans on a unprecendented level. There are dead zone in the Gulf of Mexico and the Pacific Ocean that are growing fantastically large. These we know are preventable.

[Jeff Harrington]

Positive human intervention into climate change.

INDIA: ‘Glacier Man’ Vows to Build More Artificial Glaciers
By Keya Acharya

LADAKH, India, Nov 22 (IPS) - He is well known as India’s ‘glacier man’, but for 74-year-old retired government civil engineer, Chewang Norphel, accolades have made little dent in his quiet determination to build more high-altitude water conservation systems, or ‘artificial glaciers’, to beat the lack of water from receding Himalayan glaciers.

Over 70 percent of water in Ladakh district, India’s northernmost state of Jammu and Kashmir, is sourced in springtime from the melting snows off glaciers, and is the sole source of water for irrigation for its remote mountain communities.

But in recent years, climate change and rising temperatures have resulted in decreasing snowfall in the upper-reach ‘accumulation’ zones of these glaciers, leading to reduced waters in the springtime.

A survey of 20 villages and 211 individuals over 65 years of age by the French non-governmental Groupe Energies Renouvelables, Environnement et Solidarités (GERES), showed over 90 percent of the respondents saying that winters were now warmer.

Meteorological data from 1973 onwards analysed by GERES—which in English stands for Committee for the Environment and Sustainable Development— showed a rise of one degree centigrade in the winter months in Ladakh, coupled with a sharp decline in snowfall and an equally sharp increase in mean summer temperatures in July, August and September.

The changing temperatures have already begun impacting the region’s biodiversity and its communities, says the international organisation, Worldwide Fund for Nature (WWF).

"The breeding of the bar-headed goose and the black-necked crane is not on schedule in recent years," says Nisa Khatoon, project officer of WWF at Leh. "And migration routes of communities on the Tsokar lake [who weave the famous Pashmina shawls] have become more frequented as these pastoral communities migrate due to degrading pastures."

In Leh, Ladakh’s capital city, Norphel quietly refutes claims, the latest by India’s Ministry of Environment and Forest, that there is insufficient scientific data to prove that India’s glaciers are receding.

"I am the scientific data," quips Norphel. "I have seen, for instance, the size of the Khardung La glacier—a high mountain pass in the Ladakh region, with an elevation of 5,359 metres above sea level—since I was a child: it was solid ice then," he explains.

The Khardung La glacier is one example of Ladakh’s melting glaciers, barely recognisable now as a glacier.

"Four to five decades ago, there were so many glaciers you could see from Leh," Norphel tells IPS, responding to the ministry’s refutation of receding glaciers. "Now you can’t even see small ones anymore."

Norphel, a retired rural development engineer for Kashmir state, says the water problems faced by Ladakh’s impoverished villages bothered him as much as the "wasting" of water in winter, from taps that are left running to avoid pipes freezing and bursting.

"I noticed from my garden tap that the water would freeze where it flowed, so that’s where I got the idea of designing artificial glaciers that would freeze extra water in winter, melting just in time for sowing crops in April and May," says this unassuming, quiet man.

In November, trickling glacial streams are diverted and made to flow down nearby slopes through channels and outlets with 1.5-inch diametre pipes installed every five feet.

Stone embankments built at regular intervals impede the flow of this water, making shallow pools down the mountain slope, which fill up gradually and freeze almost instantly in winter, forming a thick glacier-like sheet of ice over the slope that Norphel calls "artificial glacier."

So far, Norphel has helped build 10 artificial glaciers, all near villages whose communities have helped construct and maintain them. In Stakna village, some 35 kilometres from Leh, 60-year-old Tashi Tundup is happy with the ‘Stakna glacier’.

Meetings are arranged in the village to discuss village history of water, its availability in their nearby stream during peak winter time and the location of shade along the stream’s course, where pools can be constructed to help freeze the water faster in the absence of direct winter sunlight.

Since the water is equally distributed to all in the village, sustainability of water-harvesting structures is ensured, says Norphel.

Norphel also dispels scientists’ criticism of his ‘artificial glaciers’ as not being glaciers. "What matters is that these artificial glaciers serve similar water conservation and harvesting techniques as glaciers," says Norphel.

Norphel hopes to build two more such glaciers at Stakna village, holding two million cubic feet of iced water for its 700 residents.

"We get water as early as April itself (instead of melting glacier water in June), and this has helped the wheat crop. Wheat production has gone up over the last five years because of the water from the artificial glacier, and I can now also grow potatoes and peas," says Tundup of Stakna.

Norphel lists several other benefits: groundwater and spring recharge, significant increase in cash-crop farming, fuel, livestock fodder and livelihood incomes, mitigation of climate change for humans and livestock and ecological benefits to soil conservation.

He says the benefits of simulated glaciers have been confirmed by village folk and responses gathered over the last ten years.

The artificial glacier system can be replicated, says Norphel, in similar geo- climatic zones in central Asian countries such as Kyrgyztan and Kazakhstan.

"The problem is, it is difficult to find labour for maintenance work in the severe winter," says Norphel. "And the remoteness of these high-altitude systems makes transportation of materials very expensive."

In 1987, the first artificial glacier built by Norphel cost 1,580 euros (2,347 U.S. dollars) in Phuktse Phu village in Ladakh district. The latest plan by Norphel and the Leh Nutrition Project, a Britain-based non-governmental organisation, to construct five more comes at a total cost of 47,216.50 U.S. dollars, which is still just a fourth of the cost of concrete cement constructions for water conservation reservoirs, despite Norphel’s claims of high costs.

"We use mostly locally available stones and material," says Norphel. The Indian Army—which has a heavy presence in Ladakh district due to its close proximity to China and Pakistan—and India’s scientific and technology department financed constructions of artificial glaciers in 2008 up to this year, but Norphel says he needs help from other sources too.

"I can do so much better if I have some more funds," he says.

[Greg Hooper]

LLama Cheese covers some of your concerns about the emails here Jeff

I have no doubt govts will be trying to exploit climate change to maintain the current social inequities or even enhance them. And if that means diversion from other pressing issues they'll exploit that too


Jeff Harrington said:

Starting to look like it was an 'insider' who leaked the emails. And I think that the emails are very, very interesting, from the hacking the Chinese data, to hacking the tree ring data and the denial of the giant Middle Ages heat wave.

I've been worried for a while that this climate change fanaticism was going to taint our slow change to a green world economy by focussing on carbon emissions at the cost of pollution control. China is polluting the oceans on a unprecendented level. There are dead zone in the Gulf of Mexico and the Pacific Ocean that are growing fantastically large. These we know are preventable.